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and talk for a long time and often. >> here's the deal. >> i'm excited. we had elizabeth warren last week. >> here's the thing. andrew was on today because we had said if you're running for president -- >> come on down. >> come on the show. you're welcome any time to be on the show. call in. it's what we did in 2016. it's what we did in 2012 and 2008 as well. people remember that trump was on a lot. well guess what, so was mike huckabee in 2008. if andrew or pete want to call in -- >> you're welcome. >> we'll have mayor peete on the set. >> that does it for us. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage. thank you. betting on beto, the o'rourke campaign raises a record breaking $6.1 million within the first 24 hours of his announcement. this as the field grows even bigger with senator kirsten gillibrand officially jumping in the race. and another accidentally announcing maybe he's running.
>> i have the most progressive record of anybody running -- i mean -- of anybody who would run. and terror in new zealand. the death toll from friday's attacks rises to 50 as victims are identified and laid to rest. the prime minister promises -- promises sweeping gun law changes in the next ten days. this as the white house attempts to denounce any connection between president trump's rhetoric and the shooter after being cited in his manifesto. >> you have seen the president stand up for religious liberties. the president is not a white supreme cyst. and facebookstruggles to remove the videos of the new zealand shooting from the platform. blocking or removing 1.5 million
versions of it. million in the first 24 hours. this raises questions about how the social media giant curates hate speech every single day. we begin this morning with a flurry of major developments in the 2020 presidential race including brand-new record breaking fund-raising numbers for the newest democrat to join the crowded and growing field of hopefuls vying to take on president trump. and an accidental almost announcement from one potential candidate who could turn the race upside down. and another candidate who has made it official with a goal of becoming the first female president. we have a lot to get and i have an all star panel of reporters and guests with all the late-breaking details but first i want to get you up to speed starting with beto o'rourke. announcing just a short time ago his campaign raised a record $6.1 million in the first 24 hours after he jumped into the race.
that's more than bernie sanders whose campaign raked in $5.9 million. and at this hour, o'rourke is taking that momentum to the key battleground states as he crisscrosses the midwest. right now he's meeting with voters in coffee shops in michigan. later he's headed to ohio to valley voters there. but beto is not the only one making headlines today. former vice president biden and his accidental almost announcement over the week. just watch this w67b8g9s. >> i know we'll get criticized. i'm told i get criticized by the new left. i have the most progressive record of anybody running -- of anybody who would run. >> yes, he did say running. and there is more. new york state senator kirsten gillibrand has made it official with an announcement over the weekend that she's ended her two-month long exploratory phase
and is now an official candidate for president. >> we need a leader who makes big bold, brave choices. >> someone who isn't afraid of progress. >> that's why i'm running for president. and it's why i'm asking you for your support. >> our room warriors are out in force. nbc's ali vitali with the latest on kirsten gillibrand. but i want to go to nbc's garrett haake in michigan where beto o'rourke spoke to reporters and voters. i'm guessing he's running a victory lap about the fund-raising numbers. is he? >> well, steph, he didn't mention it in the first stop here at a coffee stop here in macomb county, michigan. he's going to take some questions from the reporters and i'll ask him the question. he didn't mention the record breaking fund raising number. $6.1 million. they barely edged out bernie sanders for the top spot here, but essentially dwarfed the rest
of the field. he still so far has not hired most of his staff. this -- they're still running on a skeleton crew. we are in macomb county, michigan, this is the ultimate swing county in michigan. a state that's absolutely crucial for democrats to retake the white house and the message wasn't about the fund raising numbers. he talked about the work he's still trying to do. he's trying to hit a bipartisan message. take a listen. >> we cannot be too red or too blue, too close or too far from the united states/mexico border for me to show up to listen to you, try to see things from your perspective and bring this deeply divided, highly polarized country together around the big challenges before us. >> steph, we're still a year
away from the michigan primary. this is not an early primary state. it's not a state that's typically a major battle ground in democratic primaries but o'rourke is here because of the importance of it and it fits his state fairly well. talking to the folks here in the coffee shop, a lot of folks are excited to see this candidate. they're familiar with him in texas. and they're telling me they're looking at him and joe biden. that seems to be the flavor of the moment here in macomb county, michigan. i'm going to get the fund-raising answer for you and maybe get back on with you here in a little bit. >> all right. ali, let's talk kirsten gillibrand. she made it official. what's the message she wants to get across? >> well, if you look at her announcement video she's talking about what she's done in the senate, where she has been for several years now. i think that's something that her campaign is hoping that voters will see as an asset for her. someone who can say that she wants to get things done and then does them in washington. i'm thinking specifically she points out in her launching video that she's worked heavily
on decreasing and stopping military sexual assault. that's where she did rise to national prominence and she's starting this race from zero. look at what she did in the last two months of her exploratory phase and she's being doing smaller retail style of events because that's where she thrives and she needs to get her name out there and into the national conversation. that's something like beto who had national prominence from six months ago running against ted cruz. others like bernie sanders and joe biden are known. but kirsten gillibrand is not. she's going to focus pretty heavily on michigan and other places like that. she's doing of course a town hall with chris hayes there tonight and then she's rallying with the governor there, gretchen whitmer. one of those elected in the 2018 wave. that what's we'll try to see more of from kirsten gillibrand. i will point out she's not releasing what she raised in her first 24 hours, but her campaign
does point out and they're right she is sitting on $10 million overall. so she's not in a bad starting position. >> $10 million, not a bad position at all. i want to bring my panel in. it's a favorite one of mine. evan cig freud, vice chair and former speaker, christine quinn. and mark thompson. mark, i complained this weekend i saw you on joy reid in a yellow technocolor dream coat. i thought you have brought your brilliance on many times and today you delivered. my question is to you. beto o'rourke $6.1 million. because of what you wore you get to go first. does that make him a front-runner? >> fund-raising wise, yeah. i think it also shows that -- which is no surprise. i think everybody was looking at him with a lot of enthusiasm. he broke through almost one in texas.
i'm reluctant to say front-runner-front-runner, but for the moment, yeah. i think he's improved his position a great deal. although, you know, when you run for president, before you run your popularity is always high. but when you start running then people start, you know, putting chinks in the armor. and frankly, you know, women are going to decide who the democratic nominee is. women are. and i think that -- >> and remember who women voted for in the last election. >> well, but not democrats though. i mean, i'm -- i'm talking about the primary right now. you're right about that. in terms of the primary though, women are going to decide. and i think his campaign and frankly those of us covering his campaign have to be very, very careful about how he is covered. how he is put out there versus
the overwhelming scrutiny that all women candidates get. that's just real. see, some people reacted to i was born to do this. they attacked hillary clinton for allegedly wanting to run for president from the time she was 6 years old. so i just think it's not going to be helping him, even if women who support him now they began to say, wait a minute, why are we being so hard on the other women candidates? why does it take a man to ride in on the white horse and the same thing goes for biden too quite frankly. i'm not going to say it will play out that way, but they have very careful about how that's framed and some women have already decided that's the way they feel. women are going to decide a democratic nominee, period. >> okay. i'm pretty sure that there's a woman heading up the gop i believe it's mitch mcconnell's niece. she was a-okay -- romney, sorry, she was okay with the gop sending this tweet out about
beto o'rourke this weekend. his mug shot from a drunk driving arrest in 1998 on st. patrick's day. obviously, stoking ethnic stereotypes. offensive in every possible way. and this is what beto o'rourke said. >> i want to focus on the big picture, on our goals. they want us to be defined not by this pettiness or the personal attacks that we see in ones like the ad that you just described. >> okay. so if the american people are looking to get better, smarter, live better lives, what on earth is the gop thinking with a disgusting tweet like that? >> it was morally wrong. it was strategically wrong. >> it was also stupid. >> it was offensive. >> i have that one for you. >> it was offensive too. i don't think that was the right message to put out there. we had ted cruz bring up the drunk driving arrest in the context of the campaign.
it was strategically beneficial to beto o'rourke. because we were waiting as republicans when beto jumped in the race. we said just wait until the rivals take the cruz oppositional research on beto. this inoculated him from the drunk driving arrest and it's out there and it will end quickly. i don't see how a candidate can use that against him now that democrats have rallied to his defense. much harder. >> it's actually not about the drunk -- >> i'm talking about the strategic. we have been clear that i think it's absolutely morally wrong that the gop did this. >> but what this shows isn't that the democrats can or can't use the drunk driving. what this shows yet again are -- is the true colors of the gop. that's what this shows. i mean, they have gone way back in their boxes and dusted off the irish need not apply signs. i mean, this is historic discrimination and hatred we thought we had moved on from decades ago.
>> it is stupid. >> it is stupid, but it's not whimsical. it's a statement of who they are and how narrowly define themselves and who they are. that's important. >> can you explain to me what joe biden is doing? is he running, are we there? how about drop it already? >> you have to love an uncle joe slipup. >> there you go. i think there will be more until he announces. he's going to announce he's going to run but he's going to have a little fun in the lead-up to it. >> that's why we like him. >> yeah. >> was that a slipup or was that a slipup like he kind of did it on purpose? >> who knows? >> i'm wondering now. >> who knows? >> and then in all sincerity, why wait, why not just do it all already? >> the second you get in, then the mood changes. you get much more positive press coverage on will he or won't he? one thing on the beto fund-raising numbers. we think he's shallow and it's
feel good statements without much policy -- >> hold on a second. president trump had a whole lot of -- a lot of horrible statements with no policy behind it. hold on. why not take a page from president trump's playbook, no policy, big on fluff. but go with a positive message not a hateful one. >> i think a positive message is great and i encourage every candidate to come out with a positive message, but it's interesting to see elizabeth warren's fund-raising numbers where she has been heavy on policy, $300,000. while it's a positive message compared to trump's message of division and hate and discontent, people are going towards platitudes and not substance. >> this is what -- from iowa said. >> part of how we succeeded in south bend, and with the progressive values wasn't by
trying to manage where i was on this left/right spectrum. it was trying to do the right thing. i view myself as a progressive but the labels are becoming less and less useful. >> he said don't give me a label. he's gaining steam, but not the steam that beto is. why not? >> well, he's a mayor of a small town, he's 36 years old. he's not been on the national stage so far. every move he makes is massive and significant and what his race or exploration shows so far is that men and women with policy, men and women who have lived a life of service are taken seriously by the democratic party and given their opportunity. i think that really runs counter to the idea of democrats seizing only on personality and fluff. >> what do you think? >> pete -- i think what he is saying makes some sense and there are some voters who want his sol -- who want to hear
solid policy. i hear from some of them. people like some of the things he's saying. beto though has been a rock star ever since he ran in texas. as i said, there's so many comparisons to obama. he's got the look and everything. he may -- you know, if he adds even more policy to it, he may have the whole package. as i said, you know, he's a man. he gets a little bit of a head start. >> absolutely. >> out of the gate. >> all right. we'll leave it there. just moments ago the president tweeted about joe biden's speech and that slipup on saturday calling joe biden a low iq individual. i don't know too much about joe biden's iq. i definitely have never seen trump's school records. do you know who i believe has a high id, tim cook, who the president knows as tim apple. well, tonight, i mentioned it earlier, two major democratic contenders will be here on msnbc. first at 7:00, chris matthews will be hitting the road with cory booker in iowa and then at
8:00 p.m., chris hayes will host a town hall event in michigan with kirsten gillibrand. both tonight on msnbc. we have breaking news right now out of the netherlands. an attacker is at large following a deadly shooting on a tram in utrecht. it is being treated as potential terror attack. the anti-terror coordinator said that the threat level has been raised to the highest level possible in the region. we will keep you up on that story as more develops throughout the hour. coming up though, it's deadline day for 81 people. agencies and entities to respond to a request from the judiciary committee to provide information related to the president. this as president trump goes on an all-out twitter tear over the weekend, blasting the special counsel and its investigation.
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giving 81 agencies, entities, individuals until today to deliver any information relevant to the investigation. nadler told the hill that he expects about half of them to comply but he also said a few witnesses are fighting requests but refused to say if he would subpoena them. this comes as president trump spent the weekend -- i don't know if i could it a twitter storm, a typhoon ripping everything from the steele dossier to saying that mueller shouldn't have been put in and then he voted in making the mueller report public. say what? professor from the university of alabama school of law, joyce vance. with us msnbc justice and security analyst and former chief spokesman for the justice department, matt miller. matt, to you first. his history would tell us that the president goes off on these massive tweet storms because we
follow them. we follow every single tweet. we walk in to how there are lies, this and that, and he does it before a piece of massive, damaging news drops. is that the case here? >> maybe. every time i try to crawl into his brain to figure out what's going on i regret it later. he's hoping that there are favorable pieces of it to him. the white house has to review it for executive privilege claims and it's possible he knows of indictments coming but it's also possible he's unhinged because he watched a fox news story that got him upset. you're right, sometimes it's the president having a cranky day. >> so the president having a cranky day, rudy giuliani saying he hasn't been doing tv because everything has been said and they're going through a period
of what was it? watchful waiting. come on now. there's no such thing as watchal waiting in this white house. >> there's no such thing as watchful waiting here, but i think it's also very rare for them to have a deliberate strategy. they seem to do a lot more reacting off the cuff than they do proactive, strategic planning. and as disenheartening to see, i think it's troubling on policy grounds. what we are seeing now though is this find crouch as they try to wait out and see what the mueller report will look like if as rumored it's about to drop. >> let's turn to nadler. should he be issuing subpoenas if he doesn't get the responses he wants? >> i think he will be in some responses. he limited it only to documents that these 81 individuals and entities had already provided to other investigations. so what that means is these
people don't have the same ability to delay responding because either one, it takes them a long time to compile the documents, they have already compiled them for other agencies. or two they're making privileged claims. i think people who are outside the government, never worked for the government, don't have a good way to resist turning over documents. people inside the government who are used to work for the government may be able to allow the white house to make executive privilege claims and fight on their behalf in court and nadler will have to send subpoenas for those documents and i suspect he will. but everyone else should be turning documents over today. if they don't, they're going to have very little ability to turn them over in the future. >> he has an incredible ability to make claims that simply fly in the face of the truth. this is a president who in the same breath denigrated the
mueller investigation, said it should never have taken place, never started. but then said that he was responsible for votes on the hill to release the report. you really can't have it both ways but so far he has gotten away with it. >> indeed he has. all right, joyce, matt, thank you so much. i know we'll have a lot to look at this week. i appreciate you joining me. all right. now we have to turn to almost an unspeakable tragedy. the death toll is rising in new zealand with 50 people confirmed dead. the youngest 3 year old. the prime minister is promising sweeping gun law changes in that country and president trump gives a lukewarm condemnation of white nationalists in the wake of the attack. we'll dig into it in a couple of minutes. ack. we'll dig into it in a couple of minutes. it's probably gonna be dinner and drinks.
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since the tragedy, new zealand's prime minister has promised quick and decisive change noting that the 28-year-old suspected gunman had five legal firearms. speaking today after a weekly cabinet meeting she told reporters they had agreed in principle reforms to gun laws and would be announcing them within the next ten days. wow. in this country, the focus has been on president trump's lukewarm condemnation of the attack. the white house released an official statement condemning the attack and in the immediate aftermath the president tweeted his warmest sympathies and said best wishes. when asked if white nationalism is a threat, this is his answer. >> i don't really. i think it's a small group of people who have very, very serious problems i guess. >> the president's wrong on that. joining me now with the latest nbc news white house correspondent jeff bennett. jeff, walk us through sort of the general reaction to the
president's statement that white nationalism is not a rising threat. that's just not correct. >> right. you're right about that, because look president trump even though he condemned the new zealand attacks he down played this threat who are suspected of being involved in the shooting. his dismissile of the dangers contradicts the warnings of his own administration. both the fbi and the department of homeland security in a may 2017 bulletin warned that white supremacist groups had carried out more attacks than any other extreme domestic groups over the past 16 years and would likely carry out more. the bulletin's findings are backed up by independent data. you have the adl, the anti-defamation league finding that 71% of the deaths linked to extremism in the u.s. between 2008 and 2017 were committed by far right attackers. you have the southern poverty law center reporting the number of hate groups operating across the country rose to a record
high in 2018. so experts who study hate groups say that some of the president's rhetoric, some of it emboldens white nationalisms that the way he's demagogued groups helps to stoke the anger on the right. mick mulvaney was asked about that yesterday and here's how he defended president trump. >> the president is not a white supremacist. i'm not sure how many times we have to say that and to simply ask the question every time something like this happens overseas or even domestically to say oh, my goodness, it must somehow be the president's fault speaks to a politicization of everything that's undermining sort of the institutions that we have in the country today. >> why not make a speech and make it clear that there is no place in america for this kind of hatred? >> i think you saw that yesterday in the tweet. i'm not sure what more you want the president to do. >> so this attack is raising new questions about the extent to
which president trump has a responsibility to moderate his language, given the rise in white supremacy movements all across the world. >> you see other people at the white house, like mick mulvaney trying to take the reins and take a hard stance. remember yesterday while the president was on that twitter storm i think it was almost 30 tweets he mentioned nothing about new zealand but he went on to defend television hosts who have pushed anti-muslim rhetoric. joining me now is contributing opinion writer for "the new york times" and author of the domestic crusaders, wadge ali. at this point we shouldn't be surprised by the president's rhetoric, should we? >> this is the feature, not the bug and wouldn't it be lovely for the rest of us if he had as much gusto and passion in attacking the white supremacists the number one terrorists in the u.s. like he does against john mccain, the press, black people, immigrants, obama, mueller?
if he did that maybe we'd be a safer country. wouldn't it be lovely if he defended the rest of americans. because he's the president of all americans by the way. like he defended, you know, judge pirro and like he defends o mbs of saudi arabia and those in charlottesville. mulvaney said he's not a white supremist but he does promote white supremacist conspiracy theories. it is too early to gas light us. the midterm elections happened in october and president trump doubled down on the george soros conspiracy theory which stems from the ideological infrastructure of white supremacists around the world saying that rich billionaire jews are bringing in a caravan of invaders. that includes mexicans, muslims, that's the message that president trump promoted that
soros theory that comes from white supremacist circles that's used against jews and immigrants. that's what donald trump promoted. the question is why does a new zealand terrorist who left behind a manifesto where he killed 50 people. in the manifesto why does he say president trump is a renewed symbol of white identity and he shares a common purpose with me? why does a terrorist share a common purpose with the president of the united states of america, stephanie? that's the question i have. >> mick mulvaney tries to make the argument that the president is simply not politically correct. that's all it is. but i want to share some sound from the president over the last year or so and what he has said. listen up. >> we're on track for a million illegal aliens to rush our borders. people hate the word invasion but that's what it is. we have to get rid of drugs and gangs and people. it's an invasion. we have an invasion of drugs and
criminals coming into our country. that we stop, but it's very hard to stop. no nation can allow its borders to be overrun and that's an invasion. i don't care what they say. i don't care what the fake media says. that's an invasion of our country. >> let's remind our audience when he talks gangs, ms-13 was originated in the l.a. area and we're talking about drugs, they make their way in at legal ports of entry. what do you make of this? >> you know who else used the word invasion? the new zealand domestic terrorist. do you know who else used the word invasion in october while donald trump was saying it? robert bowers the man who walked into the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh and shot and killed 11 people. why? because he wanted to punish the invaders who were coming to this country. specifically he reposted a post on gab that said he wants to punish filthy evil jews for bringing in filthy evil muslims. why is it all connected and why
is president trump promoting the white supremacist theories? stephanie? >> let's go to decency and civility. former department of homeland security jeh johnson spoke out on the sunday shows about the tone in this country. every day on this show, we are begging for decency and civility to make a feverish come back. here's what he said. >> i would have the president say to all americans, political leaders, candidates for political positions that part of our responsibility as leaders, those of with us the largest microphones have a duty to the american public to raise the level of civility in our dialogue. i think that's fundamental in this country. we to rededicate ourselves to that? >> your reaction? >> listen, he's a decent person and president trump lacks decency. one thick i have to say,s we keep waiting for him to be
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and sir richard branson is joining me to discuss his plan to tackle the threat. sir richard, thank you for joining me this morning. you call carbon taxes well intentioned but they face fierce opposition. what about your program do you think will be more popular and hopefully for your more successful? >> thanks, stephanie. yeah, i think the problem with the carbon tax is -- i mean, if you take australia, they tried to impose a carbon tax. it was unpopular with the public. it was unpopular with companies and unpopular with the government and the government actually fell and a new government came in to power that actually got rid of the carbon tax. the keen energy dividend idea is a win-win all around. in that, yes, you put a sum of money on to dirty fuels like coal and oil, but that sum of money, the climate change
dividend, the companies invest in break through technologies or clean fuels and they have a chance to get the money back from their investments. and the money doesn't just disappear into government coffers. so the reason i say it's a win-win all around is that it will drive the price of both dirty fuels and clean fuels right down. because you have literally bills going into the clean energy industry. once those prices are down they will stay down forever because, you know, the sun and the solar is there forever. and i think the end results will be that this will speed up getting on top of climate change and i think it can be a popular measure by governments, not an unpopular measure. i think it will be popular with companies because they are investing the money rather than just giving it away in a tax. >> if it's popular with voters
and with companies, in turn hopefully it will be popular with governments. at this point, to what do you attribute the government's inaction? i mean, we are seeing high school kids around the world lead protests. why is it that we have to rely on 17-year-olds to do this? why aren't we doing more? >> well, we must do more. i mean, each individual company and every entrepreneur must play a much bigger role because governments seem to have -- you know, certain governments have just -- you know, they're doing nothing or worse. and so for instance, you know, at virgin we have been investing in fuel -- clean fuels for our airplanes. there's a wonderful company called lance atech that's making the waste product from the steel
plants. it goes up in the chimney into the air and it turns that into ethanol and then jet aviation fuel. and there are two other companies that we are invested in. one turns plastics into fuel. the other turns sugar into fuel. so, you know, all of the things must happen. but they must happen much, much quicker. i think that if we could bring in the clean energy dividend then there would be literally billions and billions being poured into the sectors and actually i really believe get on top of the problem. >> well, you're not doing it for philanthropy. you're doing it because it's good business. sir richard branson, thank you so much. i encourage everyone to read his latest blog post. coming up in the wake of the new zealand massacre, we have to ask the question -- do the social media giants need to take better control of what is put on their platforms?
♪ and the only thing u have to say is wow ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop drop say oh my drop drop drop ♪ ♪ make u say oh my god my drop drop ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop make u say oh my god ♪ ♪ and you never felt this type of emotion ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop drop say oh my drop drop drop ♪ ♪ make u say oh my god my drop drop ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop make u say oh my god ♪ . time for my favorite part of the show, money, power, politics, in the wake of the terrorist attack in new zealand, facebook has a serious content problem on its hands, guess what?
maybe before. the alleged shooter who shares his horrific acts live on the platform is highlighting a bigger fight this tech giant faces. with the original video taken down, reuploads became near next biggest issue. facebook blocked 1.5 million videos that contained part or the whole video attack. for me on friday i was a part of and i watched hours of our broadcasts telling viewers that platforms like facebook were trying to take the video down. do you know what killed me, the word trying. and it struck me, the issue of content control on facebook goes far beyond this specific incident and even beyond the platform, itself. hateful messages are spread on twitter, instagram and social media platforms and they playing milli
-- plague millions of americans, i took it to instagram. i asked it. my goodness, it sparked my phone. i asked the platform if they're willing to provide content if they have machine learning ai that figures out, for example, i have shoe, then they have the ability to flood my feed with shoe affidavits, they can perform for advertisers. and yet every single day other than blocking accounts, i that tick hate filled messages and submit it, harassing, harassing. facebook and instagram say they listen. and they don't do anything. i'd like to understand the practice that they create. joining me now, bloomberg reporter sarah fryer with a look at mark zuckerberg's management hitting news stand this week. this went up on facebook live, at the very least, why doesn't
facebook simply say, let's dismantle facebook live until we figure it out? >> reporter: they knew this could be a problem that violent video could be a problem before they launched live and yet they decide live was going to be this next version of how people use facebook. we were talking about the problem of violent video on facebook live since before we were talking about the fake news problem, cambridge analytica, any of those issues has been with facebook for years. yet, they haven't gotten to the point that they can guarantee us they won't see this horrific video which you mentioned was taken down 1.5 million times. >> that means maybe there are some that facebook didn't get or there are edited versions of it. we just don't know because there isn't a lot of transparency around it? why not? sarah, this is an issue of will, not ability. i give bloomberg as an example.
i used to work there. so do you. the bloomberg system, it's a technology company, if i go to send a message with an obscene word in it. it's unable to send, i get a compliance alert. the company says, if you keep behaving like this you can be off our platform. facebook, instagram, that i have the ability to do it. why wouldn't they? . >>reporter: so on instagram, i'm glad you asked about that. you can block certain kind of comments and key words in comments, but a lot of people don't know you can do that. it should be up to the user to decide. >> why should i have to do that? why wouldn't facebook and instagram create an tournament? it's clear people don't want to see fu in a refons, why can't they create those safety guards? >> they don't want to do anything that prevents content
coming up from what people want to see. profanity is something they have decided is fine because it's people speaking and they don't want to discourage user behavior. it comes down to the business model. right? this is a business that is incentivized to get users to create as much content as possible. if that is your goal, you will want to do the most reactive things after people report it. sometimes not even then. >> are facebook and instagram changing their marketing model and say platforms should be used by people over the age of 18. i'm sure there is no school for someone to say, go f yourself and last i checked, facebook and instagram are encouraging people of all ages to use their platforms. >> they absolutely are. sometimes they have people younger than that, where they
use the wrong age, facebook doesn't know, have you the problem of people amplifying certain messages. you have the problem of misinformation spreading. this is a really critical issue for the company. it's only going to get worse this company is deciding that in the future instead of dealing with that content problem, they will focus on what's known as encrypted messaging. so messages not even facebook can see. well, that helped solve their privacy and data collection problems. it will make it harder in the future for facebook, instagram and messenger to help us with any of these problems. they have to deal with it. >> in your piece, you dig deep on content scanners, those who have to go through all of these videos, these messages, they're low paid, low skilled nature. should facebook step up the effort and make this a much broader business for them? >> reporter: they should pay
these people more. i mean, they're in the content scanning hubs looking through videos like this new zealand terrorist attack over and over and over and imagine what that would do to a person? i mean, this is something that the virge has reported on saying they make $28,000 a year in the united states, where that is not quite affordable if you are dealing with all of these issues and you have to go to therapy and you have to deal with the impacts and follow out in your own life of having to deal with the worst of the worst on the internet. some facebook employees says this is what you asked for, we have to do humans to do it. the computers aren't good enough. it is going to be a very painful process, they can certainly invest a whole lot more. >> indeed i will be speaking later today with some policy people from instagram. and i realize the resch new model is for advertisers, that is who instagram is performing
for. for the advertisers, they ain't going to come to inas to gram without the users. the users you need to protect. i will wrap up with good news, there is always good news somewhere. you know, we begin good news rules. when thomas lost his vision 25 years ago. herself nervous to continue his hobby, running. once he experimented, he experimented with guides. he launched guiding eyes for the blind. an organization that involves guaido dogs to the impaired. three of those furry friends, waffles, wesley and gus, he made history in this town becoming the first mind runner to finish the new york city half marathon, led by guide dogs finishing in how about this two hours and 20 minutes. congratulates to him and those pups. that wraps it up for this hour, i'm stephanie ruhle.
right now i turn you to my friend halle jackson. >> got to love a pup story. i'm halle jackson where this morning the demes are running, running away in the terms of one candidate on a fundraising front. more info from beto o'rourke, looking at what he is not telling us after that eye popping money news. plus, over at the white house, the president is carrying his twitter tirade into the new workweek, using social media to among other things, force his defenders to defend him, specifically on racism and islamaphobia. >> that rant happening as new zealand tries to heal. 50 people in that terrorist attack. we have more on the gunman's twisted plot. the red flag with our allies. our team is set one this coverage coast to coast. we start this morning in trump country. where one of those 2020 contenders beto o'rourke is swinging into michigan,